Episode 41 - A Hard Lesson Learned

Charles Mintz was stonewalling Walt Disney in the ongoing talks to renew their contract in early 1928, partly because he held all of the leverage in the negotiations, and partly because he knew he had an ace up his sleeve. Not only was Mintz stealing Walt Disney’s staff behind his back, but he was also stealing his character as well, as Walt Disney did not legally own the rights to Oswald the Lucky Rabbit. When Mintz used this fact to try and coerce Walt into relinquishing control of his studio, Walt stood firm and walked away, even though it meant starting from scratch all over again. Hear all this plus the story of possibly the most significant train ride in animation history, on this episode of The Uncle Walt Podcast.

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The California Limited in Los Angeles, CA. The limited would have been the route of Walt and Lillian’s second leg of their trip home from New York, running between Chicago and L.A.

Episode 40 - Double Crossed

Walt Disney personally traveled to New York City, in early 1928 to conclude a new deal with Charles Mintz to continue producing their hit animated series ‘Oswald the Lucky Rabbit’. Before he left California, Walt had heard some rumblings about unhappiness within his staff, but he did not realize just how deep the issues ran. When he arrived back east, Walt found that Charles Mintz was playing hardball in the negotiations. Somehow Charles Mintz had gained leverage over Walt Disney, and that is when Walt realized something catastrophic had taken place. Hear this and more, on this episode of The Uncle Walt Podcast.


Story sketches from a November, 1927 ‘Oswald the Lucky Rabbit’ short.

Episode 39 - Oswald The Lucky Rabbit

Early in 1927, Walt Disney wrapped production on his long time animation/live-action combination series “Alice’s Wonderland”. As that series was coming to an end, both Walt and his distributor Charles Mintz began thinking about what their relationship would be post Alice. Mintz entered into negotiations with Universal Pictures to distribute an all new, all animation Walt Disney produced series. This new series presented Walt with a tremendous opportunity to capitalize on the success of the Alice films and to continue his studios growth and evolution in the animation field. Hear this and more, including the early concepts and design for their new star, on this episode of The Uncle Walt Podcast.


Oswald The Lucky Rabbit in his 1927 debut film “Trolley Troubles”.

Episode 38 - New Opportunity

Walt always faced adversity while growing his studio in the 1920’s. Usually it was financial, sometimes it was creative, other times it was business related. For the first time however Walt started experiencing trouble with his staff. After moving his operation to the new Hyperion Blvd. location, many of Walt’s employees would notice a distinct change in his demeanor. This would lead to some unplanned departures at the studio. We’ll discuss all of this, plus Walt wraps up the most important project of his career thus far and looks ahead to the future of his studio, on this episode of The Uncle Walt Podcast.

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Top row - Walker Harmon, Ub Iwerks, Lois Hardwick, Walt Disney and Rudy Ising.

Bottom row - Friz Freeling, Roy Disney and Hugh Harmon.


Episode 37 - That's The Way It Will Be

Walt Disney’s stalemate with Charles Mintz over the future distribution of his Alice comedies was still unresolved. Despite this, Walt and Roy forged ahead with several key changes at the studio. There would be new places, new faces and new names in the world of Walt. Some of these changes were by choice, and others by necessity. Join the discussion on all of this and more, on this episode of The Uncle Walt Podcast.


Walt and Roy Disney with the “new” Alice, Margie Gay. 1926

Episode 36 - Tensions Rise

Having returned home from his wedding and honeymoon with his new bride Lillian, Walt turned his focus back to his work. The Alice films were beginning to garner national attention, and Charles Mintz would attempt to use this as leverage against Walt Disney to negotiate more favorable terms in their next contract. Tensions between the two men would begin to rise and Walt would be forced to make a number of important decisions regarding the future of his beloved film series.

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Walt Disney (left) directs Virginia Davis as Roy Disney (right) operates the camera.

Episode 35 - Walt and Lillian

As Walt Disney continued to expand his studio staff, he hired several young ladies to work as ink and painters. Although Walt did not chase women, he did start to catch the eye of one of these young ladies in particular. Her name was Lillian Bounds, and as Roy and Edna finally tied the knot, Walt and Lillian served as best man and maid of honer respectively. Walt's first love was always animation, but he began making room in his heart for Lillian. All this and more on this episode of The Uncle Walt Podcast.


Walt and Lillian, 1925

Episode 34 - Meet Charles Mintz

Walt Disney's relationship with his distributor Margaret Winkler was going well. Both of their visions for the future of the Alice series were generally aligned with one another. Somewhat unexpectedly however, Walt found himself dealing with a new distributor all together. With a new distributor came a new contract. With a new contract came an expanded staff and with an expanded staff came more of Walt's Laugh-O-Gram buddies. Hear all this and more, on this episode of The Uncle Walt Podcast.


Charles Mintz

Episode 33 - The Cat

With the first Alice films now finished and well received by the public, Walt Disney and Margaret Winkler decided to speed up production on the films and produce not 1, but 2 films per month. This meant an increase in workload for the already understaffed Disney Bros. Studio. For weeks Walt had been corresponding with old friend Ub Iwerks in hopes of luring him to California. Will Ub join Walt in Hollywood or pass on the opportunity? Plus, hear about the emergence of Walt Disney's first recurring cartoon character. All of that and more, on this episode of The Uncle Walt Podcast.


Julius the Cat and Alice, 1924

Episode 32 - Disney Bros. Studio

Walt had his contract from  Margaret Winkler signed and ready to go, but being unsure of how to proceed, he would turn to his brother Roy for help getting his new venture off the ground. He needed an office space, supplies, a camera but most importantly he needed animators. Would he find some talented artists or would he go it alone? What was the process he would use to create his combination live-action, animation vision? And would he finish them on time and to the standards his distributor was expecting? We'll answer all these questions and more, on this episode of The Uncle Walt Podcast.


Walt (right) and Roy (left) in front of their Kingswell Ave. studio.

Episode 31 - Roy Steps In

When Walt was in Kansas City, he had an animation company and no distribution. When he moved to California, he had acquired distribution but had no animation company. In October of 1923, with a contract in hand for his Alice films, Walt now had to figure out how he was going to produce the series. He turned to Older brother Roy for advice. Hear this story and more on episode 31 of The Uncle Walt Podcast.


Roy O. Disney

Episode 30 - Alice Goes To New York

With Walt Disney settling into life in California, he received some news he had long been hoping for. A film distributor from New York had seen a reel of 'Alice's Wonderland' and wanted to negotiate a distribution deal. Who was the distributor? What were the terms of the contract? All this and more on this episode of The Uncle Walt Podcast.


Margaret Winkler

Episode 29 - California Dreaming

When Walt Disney first arrived in Hollywood, CA in 1923, he knew he wanted to be in the movie business. He just wasn't sure exactly what he was going to do. He had not completely given up on animation, but it did take a back seat to his new hope of becoming a live-action director at a major motion picture studio. In this episode of The Uncle Walt Podcast you'll hear all about Walt's first days and weeks in California, and the plans and dreams he began to piece together during that time.


The original 'Hollywood' sign - Circa 1920's

Episode 28 - End Of The Line

Walt Disney put everything he had into his Laugh-O-Gram's animation studio. It was his dream come true in his early 20's. Unfortunately Walt's lack of experience showed. By summer of 1923 both Walt and his studio were at rock bottom. Would Walt stay in Kansas City and keep trying his hand with Laugh-O-Grams? Or, would he leave town in search of his next dream? Find out, on this episode of The Uncle Walt Podcast.

Walt Disney behind his live-action camera - Kansas City, MO.

Episode 27 - Alice's Wonderland

By 1923, Walt Disney had hit rock bottom. Not just with his animation studio, but personally as well. Neither he nor Laugh-O-Grams had any money and Walt needed a hit cartoon badly if he was going to keep his dream alive and keep his beloved studio afloat. In what essentially amounted to a last ditch effort, Walt dreamed of a new series that would combine both animation and live-action in a way that had never been seen on screen before. Would it work? Or was it too little, too late... All this and more, on this episode of The Uncle Walt Podcast.


A still frame featuring Walt Disney and 4 year old Virginia Davis from 'Alice's Wonderland' 1923

Episode 26 - Tommy Tucker's Tooth

Walt had the men of his studio begin work on their first official contract in fall, 1922. Though the contract was not exactly what Walt had hoped for, it was all he had and the men pushed forward. when financial troubles threatened to put an end to the work before it was completed, Walt Disney began to search for alternative ways of bringing income into his studio. One such way he accomplished this was to produce a film for a local dentist titled 'Tommy Tucker's Tooth'. Hear the story of how this film came about, plus more, on this episode of The Uncle Walt Podcast.


A still frame from the film 'Tommy Tucker's Tooth' - 1922

Episode 25 - Contract In Hand

In autumn of 1922, Walt Disney's fledgling animation studio signed it's first official contract for the delivery of 6 animations. The contract almost never happened though, and when it did, it was far from ideal. On this episode of The Uncle Walt Podcast you'll hear the circumstances surrounding this contract and the plan Walt set in motion to fulfill his end of the bargain.

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Left to right - Walt Disney, Hugh Harman, Rudy Ising, and Ub Iwerks

Episode 24 - Short On Cash

In the summer of 1922, Walt Disney had finally found himself heading his own animation studio. It was a legitimate business, with real employees and an official work space. However there was one thing that Laugh-O-Gram Films Inc was short on... Cash. Without proper working capital and very little assets, Walt had to use his creativity and persuasiveness to fund his young company. All this and more on this episode of The Uncle Walt Podcast.

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Laugh-O-Gram's offices on the second floor - 1127 East 31st Street, Kansas City, Mo.

Episode 23 - Left Alone

In this episode of The Uncle Walt Podcast, we'll hear about Walt's struggles in Kansas City after the departure of his family. Most of the Disney's headed out west in search of a milder climate, but Walt stayed behind to grow his young animation studio. Without family around Walt struggled to fill the void left from their relocation. The most notable family member, who's departure left an impact on Walt was his brother Roy. We'll also learn that it wasn't just Walt that Roy left behind either.

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Edna Francis and Roy Disney

Episode 22 - The First Fairy-Tales

Walt knew he wanted to branch out beyond his 'Newman Laugh-O-Grams' and begin a new series of animations based on well known fairy-tales. To set them apart however, he wanted to base these familiar stories in a 1920's contemporary setting. With help from his buddies, he set out to do just that. Would he succeed in making these animations a reality? Would he officially turn his animation "club" into a legitimate business? Find out on this episode of The Uncle Walt Podcast.

A screen shot from one of Walt's 'Fairy-Tale Laugh-O-Grams'